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at least no chairs were thrown…

A friend of mine was walked out of Microsoft today.

I’m not talking about Stuart Scott, the now former Microsoft CIO who was canned for “violating company policies.” No, another friend decided to leave the MSN Live Search team and join Google Kirkland. In contrast, when I gave notice, I had the luxury of two weeks to wrap things up, say good-bye, and all that. In truth I didn’t need that long, as I was at a good stopping point, but the courtesy two weeks is there for both parties: I had two weeks to wrap up the stuff I wanted, and Microsoft had two weeks to have me wrap up the stuff they wanted. Another thing that this does is I felt I left Microsoft on good terms, and while I love my new job, should circumstances change in 5, 10, or 15 years, I’d certainly consider going back to Microsoft for the right opportunity. In fact a number of people have done that, including my former manager at Microsoft as well as our former VP, Christopher Payne. And presumably, Microsoft would want me not just for my experience at Microsoft, but also for my experience outside of Microsoft (apparently, Steve B is pursuing VPs from outside the company rather than promoting from within, as they need some new blood at the top!)

Other colleagues I knew from Microsoft that went to Google were shown the same treatment. So why was I shown the love and not my friend? Well, as near as I can tell, Microsoft doesn’t want someone who has decided to leave for Google around so that other employees can ask all the obvious questions and think about going to Google themselves. Google is clearly the competition, and while it’s OK to leave Microsoft and do something random (like work for Amazon), leaving to compete with Microsoft is an unforgivable offense, apparently up there with violating company policies.

I still have a lot of respect and admiration for Microsoft and the people there, but this is one policy I wish they’d rethink. Companies are groups of people, and the people move from one to the other. At times they’ll compete, and at times they’ll work together. Treating someone as the enemy because the company they’re joining is currently competition is short-sighted and naive; all it does is reinforce the negative image of Microsoft as the black hat and Google as the force of good. And it destroys a potential future rehire… after all, who would want to go back after being shown the door like that?

Update 11/9: Tim Faulkner at ValleyWag, you are a total hack. If you’re going to source my post and then exaggerate the Hell out of it, at least have the courtesy of citing a source. Of course, you’re misrepresenting what I’m saying so you can ensure your nose is that Googley pastel brown, so I can see why you might not do that. Hack.

Update 11/10: Looks like I made Mini again! Probably making some former co-workers grumpy. As I think about the above, there may be other reasons to show some people the door immediately besides worrying that a person leaving might inspire. I can’t think of any that aren’t lame, but that’s me.

Update 11/11: Huh, I made SlashDot… hopefully my small little server will survive. Some points for those reading: I highlighted above, it’s my pure speculation that MS folks don’t want people leaving for Google to stick around to talk to other employees. There are other reasons, which feel… well, I’ll let you make the call:

  • Microsoft is fairly free internally about schedules, new anticipated features, and so forth. Microsoft may not want someone going to a competitor to learn anything new and imminent.
  • Other employees may want to talk to the person leaving, and that might put said person in breach of the non-solicit.
  • Employees going to the competition aren’t necessarily motivated to do a good job wrapping up, so best to cut things off now.
  • Going to the competition is declaring yourself as competition. Get out now.

In truth… I suspect that it might be the last that’s the real reason, petty as it is. Everything else, even the worry of people talking to the guy going to Google, feels like a weak reason. People will still contact the guy after the fact to find out what was going on. Schedules don’t change that quickly. Talking about how green the grass is on the other side isn’t breach of non-solicit. And professional employees are professional. So… it boils down not to a logical, business reason, but an emotional one.

This all being said, the facts are that people leaving Microsoft don’t stay their two weeks. They might not be given the perp walk out the door, but their badge is turned off pretty damn quickly. And this isn’t just the one friend who left recently; I can name three others that this happened to as well. But those who are leaving elsewhere are given their two weeks, and typically there’s a farewell lunch or dinner. It’s a crappy policy, and should change.

And Microsofties reading this — yes, I did bring this up when it happened to the first guy, and was told by our VP that “X is our past, not our future.” It was clear this wasn’t a fight I was going to win, and shouldn’t even pursue.

12 Responses to “at least no chairs were thrown…”

  1. Windows Vista News Says:

    at least no chairs were thrown……

    There is an interesting post over at selberg.org…

  2. chris Says:

    How you are treated on leaving depends entirely on whether your manager is an asshole or not. I know of people that have given notice months in advance with no problems (even extending the end date to coincide with vesting in some cases). Like most things at MS, everything depends on your manager.

  3. Andrew Fenn Says:

    That seems kinda silly to just walk someone out the door. How is Microsoft going to find someone else to fill that employee’s job, what about documentation on the stuff the guy was working on and what about handing over responsibilities to other employees that the guy had?

    It must be really unproductive when you make someone just walk out the door.

  4. Anon Says:

    I know that senior vp’s have given directives to have people escorted out immediately when they gave their notice to go to Google. This happened to me when I went to Google (~2 years ago).

    It made me think much, much less of MS. The level of animosity felt at MS toward Google is such that people could not wear garb with Google on it for fear of being thought a trader — the reverse is not true.

  5. justin Says:

    I work for a bank in their corp office and there’s a huge competitor in the same city…I have known people to go back and forth between banks and they never had this kind of problem. I assume that it’s because the banks make tons of money and really don’t feel threatened by each other. Microsoft has a good stream of money coming in and so does Google…I don’t get why Microsoft would feel threatened by Google as Google’s money seems to mostly come from ad revenue while Microsoft’s is software.

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  8. Fielded that one, eh? Says:

    I left MSFT a little over a year ago after 5 and a bit years, on good terms, talked everything through with my manager and my team who all gave the appearance at least of being sorry to see me go. I didn’t quite get the perp walk, but as I was going to work for another software company that apparently meant I was leaving for the competition so I was given “gardening leave” for my notice period with all access etc. removed immediately. It wasn’t my manager who handled it, the order came down from higher, he was simply the messenger.

    Funny how any software company that is not MSFT is apparently the competition. Go figure. That’s what happens when MSFT tries to dominate every potentially profitable part of the software market, I guess.

    It has, however, not prevented me from being in regular contact with former colleagues and team-mates professionally, socially and even coming back in for an interview for a role I thought I was interested in…but am sort of glad now I did not get!

    On the definite plus side I now know there is a lot more out there, some of it fun, much of it better paying and less political…

  9. Sergey Solyanik Says:

    Bizzare… I am fairly sure it depends on a team, maybe division. I’ve spent about a month wrapping things up at Microsoft after I announced that I am moving to Google, and the behavior of both HR and my management was completely sane.

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  11. Boliver Says:

    Here are the facts on software engineers. You are good to go until you reach about 30 to 35 years old. Most of the really creative software people are about 16 years old, but they lack skills. Making good software requires a mind that is not full of “other things”. After 30 to 40 years of age you are washed up and better be in management by then. The new yonger guys will take over. Thinking that you are somehow special and that you will not be replaced or given crap jobs to make you quit is not rational thinking. Time to look for other areas to put your talents.

  12. steve heller Says:

    I can say without any doubt that it is NOT true that as a software engineer “[a]fter 30 to 40 years of age you are washed up and better be in management by then”. I’m considerably older than 40 and have had very little trouble getting good, well-paying non-management jobs, other than for a year or so in the aftermath of the .com boom.

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