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	<title>Comments on: Arrest made in Baby Lilly case</title>
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		<title>By: jessica</title>
		<link>http://selberg.org/2007/03/11/arrest-made-in-baby-lilly-case/#comment-28626</link>
		<dc:creator>jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peoples reactions can be often cruel as they dont understand. Alot of people have said how did she not know she was pregnant, it has happend to two people i know so it does happen. One girl i know already had two children and showed with both, but with her last she had no signs. Took her two children to school in the the morning and gave bith on her own in her bedroom by the afternoon. She passed the the tummy pains off as peorid pains. She still had her peorids but she does say now thinking back that they became alittle irregular. I watched the case on miss Davis closely and i do beleive that she did not know. I did ask the question of why she didnt call someone when the pains started. She must have been in shock and just went into over drive. I had spoken to Neil and he said when they broke up he was nasty to her and told her to stay away from him. she must of felt so alone with know one to confide in. People have said that she must be evil and mad. But from what i knew of her was a nice polite girl she would often pick Charlie and Georgia up and take them out some times on her own when Neil couldnt be botherd. The children used to love spending time with her. I just hope that she will be able to move on from this. and be able to rebuild her life. Its good to know that she has friends to fight her corner as people can be very cruel. But aslo remember that its just that people dont understand. Take care Racheal. x reading a commet i had made saying she must have been of sick mind.  I didnt that in a bad mannor i ment it as she was not well  mentally. didnt mean to affend .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peoples reactions can be often cruel as they dont understand. Alot of people have said how did she not know she was pregnant, it has happend to two people i know so it does happen. One girl i know already had two children and showed with both, but with her last she had no signs. Took her two children to school in the the morning and gave bith on her own in her bedroom by the afternoon. She passed the the tummy pains off as peorid pains. She still had her peorids but she does say now thinking back that they became alittle irregular. I watched the case on miss Davis closely and i do beleive that she did not know. I did ask the question of why she didnt call someone when the pains started. She must have been in shock and just went into over drive. I had spoken to Neil and he said when they broke up he was nasty to her and told her to stay away from him. she must of felt so alone with know one to confide in. People have said that she must be evil and mad. But from what i knew of her was a nice polite girl she would often pick Charlie and Georgia up and take them out some times on her own when Neil couldnt be botherd. The children used to love spending time with her. I just hope that she will be able to move on from this. and be able to rebuild her life. Its good to know that she has friends to fight her corner as people can be very cruel. But aslo remember that its just that people dont understand. Take care Racheal. x reading a commet i had made saying she must have been of sick mind.  I didnt that in a bad mannor i ment it as she was not well  mentally. didnt mean to affend .</p>
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		<title>By: Close friend</title>
		<link>http://selberg.org/2007/03/11/arrest-made-in-baby-lilly-case/#comment-28297</link>
		<dc:creator>Close friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ive done a night shift im tired sorry for the mistake her brain was NOT blue sorry x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ive done a night shift im tired sorry for the mistake her brain was NOT blue sorry x</p>
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		<title>By: Close friend</title>
		<link>http://selberg.org/2007/03/11/arrest-made-in-baby-lilly-case/#comment-28296</link>
		<dc:creator>Close friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a close friend of rachels and most of you dont have a clue what your on about how dare you say some of that bull shit you want to get your facts straight b4 you spred this rubbish. You cant judge what you dont know i would like to thank some of you 4 your support towards rachel. Yes we all know what she did was wrong and now SHE does but she cant change what has happend she is being punished enough and no matter what she does is not going to change was has happend. And as for rachels family being slaged of how dare you they cant help what she has done put your self in there shoes how would you like it. I work in the medical profession in emergency medicine and i can assure you lilly was not murdered if a baby is still born thr brain is blue and hers was so you cany call rachel a murderer. She now wants to move on with her life and so does her family so i surgest you all let her we cant change the past but we can make our future and once again to the nice messages thanks for your support xxxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a close friend of rachels and most of you dont have a clue what your on about how dare you say some of that bull shit you want to get your facts straight b4 you spred this rubbish. You cant judge what you dont know i would like to thank some of you 4 your support towards rachel. Yes we all know what she did was wrong and now SHE does but she cant change what has happend she is being punished enough and no matter what she does is not going to change was has happend. And as for rachels family being slaged of how dare you they cant help what she has done put your self in there shoes how would you like it. I work in the medical profession in emergency medicine and i can assure you lilly was not murdered if a baby is still born thr brain is blue and hers was so you cany call rachel a murderer. She now wants to move on with her life and so does her family so i surgest you all let her we cant change the past but we can make our future and once again to the nice messages thanks for your support xxxx</p>
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		<title>By: t day</title>
		<link>http://selberg.org/2007/03/11/arrest-made-in-baby-lilly-case/#comment-27655</link>
		<dc:creator>t day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad its now over and the family can get on with there lives and remember lilly as they should be able to. I am not related in anyway i just worked with rachel but i will visit the grave every year to pay my respects to her. I hope rachel gets the help she needs, noone knows what happened that night execpt rachel and i hope it can now be put to bed and everyone leave the family alone. 

R.i.p baby lillyxxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad its now over and the family can get on with there lives and remember lilly as they should be able to. I am not related in anyway i just worked with rachel but i will visit the grave every year to pay my respects to her. I hope rachel gets the help she needs, noone knows what happened that night execpt rachel and i hope it can now be put to bed and everyone leave the family alone. </p>
<p>R.i.p baby lillyxxx</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Selberg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Closure in Baby Lilly case</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Selberg &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Closure in Baby Lilly case</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m not sure why this case just stuck in my head for the past two years, but it did. There&#8217;s a fair bit of discussion on my original post from about a year ago. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m not sure why this case just stuck in my head for the past two years, but it did. There&#8217;s a fair bit of discussion on my original post from about a year ago. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jessica</title>
		<link>http://selberg.org/2007/03/11/arrest-made-in-baby-lilly-case/#comment-24873</link>
		<dc:creator>jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi I knew of Miss Davis she was my ex partners girlfriend the mother of his daughter Lily. The daughter he never got to see the sister my children never got to play with. So your question answered. she has ruined his life along with her own and her family. If lily was still born there would have been nothing she could of done. But just to dump her like she did alone with no  one is that of a sick mind. People can carry on with there witch hunt but remember that your comments are seen and can be very up setting for lilys family. We plan to take the children to the grave where lily rests when their older to understand. Baby Lily looked like her Daddy and big brother and was loved very much and will always be in our hearts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi I knew of Miss Davis she was my ex partners girlfriend the mother of his daughter Lily. The daughter he never got to see the sister my children never got to play with. So your question answered. she has ruined his life along with her own and her family. If lily was still born there would have been nothing she could of done. But just to dump her like she did alone with no  one is that of a sick mind. People can carry on with there witch hunt but remember that your comments are seen and can be very up setting for lilys family. We plan to take the children to the grave where lily rests when their older to understand. Baby Lily looked like her Daddy and big brother and was loved very much and will always be in our hearts.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Selberg</title>
		<link>http://selberg.org/2007/03/11/arrest-made-in-baby-lilly-case/#comment-20096</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Selberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per the &lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/coventry_warwickshire/6757845.stm" rel="nofollow"&gt;BBC&lt;/a&gt; sentencing delayed until next month sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/coventry_warwickshire/6757845.stm">BBC</a> sentencing delayed until next month sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Selberg</title>
		<link>http://selberg.org/2007/03/11/arrest-made-in-baby-lilly-case/#comment-20042</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Selberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I originally put up the post mostly as a random note to random readers of my blog that a horrible act was finally coming to closure. Posting for me was cathartic, a way to tell the world that an appalling act had not gone unnoticed. I never actually expected anyone to comment, let alone people who actually were involved with the case. That too has been wildly unexpected... suddenly, a number of the people who are involved can talk and make their points known, and with time the discussion can, and has, turned very reasonable. I think this is a good thing.

I suspect Rachel has probably seen this post or at least knows about it and will succumb to curiousity at some point. A number of the comments are essentially a public tongue-lashing. Well, deserved or not, it's the least of her issues I imagine. But frankly, my post wasn't about her --- it was about her daughter, and a placeholder, albeit virtual, that even though she never may have had a life outside the womb what life she did have is remembered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I originally put up the post mostly as a random note to random readers of my blog that a horrible act was finally coming to closure. Posting for me was cathartic, a way to tell the world that an appalling act had not gone unnoticed. I never actually expected anyone to comment, let alone people who actually were involved with the case. That too has been wildly unexpected&#8230; suddenly, a number of the people who are involved can talk and make their points known, and with time the discussion can, and has, turned very reasonable. I think this is a good thing.</p>
<p>I suspect Rachel has probably seen this post or at least knows about it and will succumb to curiousity at some point. A number of the comments are essentially a public tongue-lashing. Well, deserved or not, it&#8217;s the least of her issues I imagine. But frankly, my post wasn&#8217;t about her &#8212; it was about her daughter, and a placeholder, albeit virtual, that even though she never may have had a life outside the womb what life she did have is remembered.</p>
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		<title>By: R kieran</title>
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		<dc:creator>R kieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annon have just read your last input on this. I think if rachel had shown remorse of any sort to the people that work with her things may be different for her there. If you personally knew the girls you would realise they are mostly lovely people and 90% are mothers themselves and like alot of people can't understand how she carried on having a normal life until she was found out as being lilly's mum. 2 of the girls there are also pregnant and being around her must be real tough on them. I agree with halo that this case touched so many people and was originally a murder enquiry, I know we are not entitled to the answers but everyone just wants to know the truth behind it all know once that is out then maybe people will change their opinon on rachel or maybe not I can't answer that as I still believe she deserves to go to prison with the information i have been given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annon have just read your last input on this. I think if rachel had shown remorse of any sort to the people that work with her things may be different for her there. If you personally knew the girls you would realise they are mostly lovely people and 90% are mothers themselves and like alot of people can&#8217;t understand how she carried on having a normal life until she was found out as being lilly&#8217;s mum. 2 of the girls there are also pregnant and being around her must be real tough on them. I agree with halo that this case touched so many people and was originally a murder enquiry, I know we are not entitled to the answers but everyone just wants to know the truth behind it all know once that is out then maybe people will change their opinon on rachel or maybe not I can&#8217;t answer that as I still believe she deserves to go to prison with the information i have been given.</p>
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		<title>By: Halo</title>
		<link>http://selberg.org/2007/03/11/arrest-made-in-baby-lilly-case/#comment-16986</link>
		<dc:creator>Halo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 20:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just pondering this sad case, I feel that on reflection myself and many others judged Rachel very severely because this case was initially presented on crimewatch as a murder investigation. If I stand back and look at this objectively I realise that there is a large element of irrationality here. Rachel did something very disturbing but she did not kill. Every week it seems someone appears in the news for killing a child; they do not receive blogs as emotive and impassioned as this. Why? People who kill children are the real criminals and dangers to society. Rachel showed a lack of emotion but she did not harm, you cannot harm a stillborn baby. Lily was beyond harm whatever Rachel did with her mortal remains.Yes she commited the crime of concealing a birth,  but i feel in retrospect that people should save their venon for those who truly deserve it. I hold up my hands and admit to being one of those caught up in a frenzied desire for justice but I now realise this was wrong. On reflection I also feel that one of the truly sad elements this is on discovering she had delivered a dead baby she could not initially seek help and comfort from her sleeping parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just pondering this sad case, I feel that on reflection myself and many others judged Rachel very severely because this case was initially presented on crimewatch as a murder investigation. If I stand back and look at this objectively I realise that there is a large element of irrationality here. Rachel did something very disturbing but she did not kill. Every week it seems someone appears in the news for killing a child; they do not receive blogs as emotive and impassioned as this. Why? People who kill children are the real criminals and dangers to society. Rachel showed a lack of emotion but she did not harm, you cannot harm a stillborn baby. Lily was beyond harm whatever Rachel did with her mortal remains.Yes she commited the crime of concealing a birth,  but i feel in retrospect that people should save their venon for those who truly deserve it. I hold up my hands and admit to being one of those caught up in a frenzied desire for justice but I now realise this was wrong. On reflection I also feel that one of the truly sad elements this is on discovering she had delivered a dead baby she could not initially seek help and comfort from her sleeping parents.</p>
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